The Wisconsin Cartters - Chapter Five
WHY THE 2 “Ts”? THE HOLLISTERS INTRODUCED
It is among the sons of Nehemiah Carter that we first find in public records the use of the double “T” in this old family name which dates far back in English history. Even here among the brothers there seems to be no common agreement. Gravestones of Zeboim and Isaac in the West Lowville Rural Cemetery display the name with two “Ts” while Phederus’ stone bears the name spelled with one T. This, though some of his descendants, now living, spell theirs with two. David Kellogg was consistent in the use of two Ts as was his son James Bruce and indeed his other four sons.
The traditional spelling seems to have been with one T. Genealogists when recording the family line from Rev. Thomas Carter of Woburn, Mass., use the one “T” with no other reference. Two exceptions have come to the author;s attention. William R. Cutter in his two works, Genealogy of Northern New York and Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Massachusetts, the latter edited jointly with William F. Adams. In both of these publications the entire family of Rev. Thomas is recorded with two “Ts”. In the latter of these two publications two identical lines of descent from Rev. Thomas are given except in one the one T is used, and in the other two Ts, one appearing in Vol I, p 372, the other in Vol II, p. 933.
In the first reference quoted above there appears this interesting explanation of why the two Ts.
“The Carter family is of ancient English lineage. In one of the battles of Bruce’s war, an officer by the name of McCarter countermanded the order of a superior officer, which meant death, but which gave the victory, hence they could not really put him to death, but could not allow the offence to go unpunished. Therefore, they deprived him of the “Mc” in his name, and added a “t”, making it Cartter. The present family descends from him. Richard Cartter, Lord of the Manor of Garston, in the parish of Watford, England, is supposed to have been the grandfather of Rev. Thomas Cartter, the immigrant mentioned below.”
While we are speculating on the two Ts here is another version to ponder. From a letter written by a George Phederus Cartter of Los Angeles in 1855 to Mrs. Paul Cartter of Wichita we get the following (quite interesting.) The story he relates has two parts.
First. - - “In Scotland it was a custom, still is in some families, that the oldest son had no Christian name, was known as ‘Master’ and signed the papers as Mcarthur or Mcartter or Macarthur. Transcribed as M. A. Cartter, the Mac was dropped completely.”
Second. - - “You well have to go back several hundred years to get to the first two “TT.” In 1298 when Robert Bruce was at war with England the sister of Robert Bruce, King of Scotland, promised to marry the ‘first Scott’ to raise the Scott flag on English soil. The commander of the Scotch forces had the English driven back from the coast. He was ready to go ashore, standing at the bow of the boat with the Scott banner at hand when his nephew jumped out ahead of him pulling a banner from under his coat and raised it before his uncle realized what had happened. The remark that the uncle made is historically correct. ‘If the same blood that flows in your veins was not the same blood that is in mine I would strike you dead where you stand.” The family motto was taken from this episode ‘Astutia Et Animo.’ Bruce’s decree issued at that time was that they should carry two or double “T” for them and their descendants forever.”
Myth or reality, the presence of absence of a second “TP in the name has been a source of confusion to genealogists and an inconvenience to the bearer of the Cartter spelling. Being in the minority he must continually remind others of the proper spelling. Perhaps someday this mystery will be resolved, and we Cartters may in truth know how much Scottish blood coursed through the veins of our early ancestors.
We present bearers of the name are thankful that David Kellogg Cartter (1) held to this spelling as did his sons and those grandchildren of whom we know. The origin of the second “T” is incidental. We have it and intend to keep it, inconvenience or not. Let us haste to mention however that we do not disown those proven relatives who carry the lighter T burden.
Now back to David Kellogg Cartter as he arrived fom Westfield, Mass., with his brothers to settle at least tentatively at Lowville, N. Y. He was not to stay here long and we do not know much of his activities while there. Records do indicate that by 1804 he had met and married Elizabeth Hollister, the daughter of Abner and Sarah Betty Hollister whose family lived at Adams in Jefferson County.
The young couple lived in Lowville until the spring of 1814 when they and their three sons moved to Rochester, N. Y. as related in Chapter II. We have little information concerning the young family during this period. It is very likely that David continued to develop his skills as a carpenter and mill-wright; skills which he used to very good advantage after reaching Rochester. But what of Elizabeth?
Abner Hollister, father of Elizabeth, was of the 6th generation of his family in America. He was born Oct.28, 1754 in Tyringham, Berkshire County, in the far west central part of Mass. He served as a soldier in the Revolutionary War being with Arnold in his march to Quebec. After Arnold’s surrender, Abner made his escape through “an almost pathless wilderness; after great suffering he returned home.” He married Sarah Betty in Tyringham, June 28, 1771.
Elizabeth Hollister was the seventh in a family of twelve children. She was born in 1789. When she was seven years of age the family moved to Clinton in Oneida County, N. Y. After a few years they moved to Adams in Jefferson County where she was married in 1804 to David Kellogg Cartter.
Sarah Betty, Elizabeth’s mother, died in Cato, Cayuga Co., N.Y. Sept. 12, 1813, one year before the Cartters moved to Rochester. In 1818 Abner Hollister is recorded as assisting David Kellogg Cartter in building the first three-story building erected in Rochester. It was known as “The Mansion House” and is recorded in William F. Peck’s History of Rochester and Monroe County. This account would lead us to believe that the two may have worked together in the carpenter trade even before coming to Rochester. Abner, in 1802, married second a widow, Elizabeth Granger of Oneida Co., N. Y. There were no children by this marriage. George A. Hollister, a son of Abner, and brother of Elizabeth, later founded the Hollister Lumber Co. at Rochester in 1835.
HOLLISTER FAMILY
The Hollister family came to America from England, where in Somersetshire there is a town called Hollister. The name comes from Holly Terra - - place where holly trees abound. The first mention of the name was in about 1563 and 1564.
A brief male line of descent is given here, taken from Hollister Family of America by LaFayette Wallace Case, M. D. – 1886.
1st Generation
JOHN HOLLISTER, ancestor of the American family is said to have been born in England, 1612. He emigrated to America about 1642 and is reputed to have been “one of the most prominent men of Wetherfield and the Connecticut Colony.” He was admitted freeman in 1643, a deputy in 1644 and 1645. He was appointed by a general court to give “the best and safe advice to the Indians if they agreed to meet and should crave advice.” He was a large land holder especially on the east side of the Connecticut River, known as Glaustonburg. He married Joanna, daughter of Richard and Joanna Treat and dies April 1665. Eight children were born of this marriage.
2nd Generation
JOHN (2), oldest son of John (1) and Joanna b. 1644, married Sara Goodrich 1667. He was one of the principal men in Glastonburg. He had eight children d. 11-24-1711
3rd Generation
THOMAS, 2nd son of John (2) and Sara born 1-14-1672 – m. Dorothy Hills, daughter of Joseph Hills, Glastonburg, Conn. She was born 1677 and died 1741. He was called “the weaver” in town records. They had thirteen children.
4th Generation
CHARLES: Third son of Thomas and Dorothy b. in Glastonburg 7-26-1701, m. Prudence Francis, daug. of John Francis of Wethersfield 4-5-1729, settled in Eastbury d. 2-2-1753. Nine children.
5th Generation
FRANCIS, b. in Glastonburg 4-22-1733, 2nd son of Charles and Prudence, M. Betty McKee 12-15-1753 and resided in Tyringham – A sea captain – d. in Havana 1-15-1770. He had seven children of whom Abner was the oldest.
6th Generation
Abner, b. 10-28-1753, a soldier in the Revolutionary War. M. (1) Sarah Betty in tyringham, Mass. 6-28-1775 (2) a widow Elizabeth Granger of Oneida Co., N. Y. in 1802. His twelve children were all by his first wife who dies in Cato, Cayugo Co., N.Y. Sept.12, 1813. Elizabeth was his 7th child.
It is among the sons of Nehemiah Carter that we first find in public records the use of the double “T” in this old family name which dates far back in English history. Even here among the brothers there seems to be no common agreement. Gravestones of Zeboim and Isaac in the West Lowville Rural Cemetery display the name with two “Ts” while Phederus’ stone bears the name spelled with one T. This, though some of his descendants, now living, spell theirs with two. David Kellogg was consistent in the use of two Ts as was his son James Bruce and indeed his other four sons.
The traditional spelling seems to have been with one T. Genealogists when recording the family line from Rev. Thomas Carter of Woburn, Mass., use the one “T” with no other reference. Two exceptions have come to the author;s attention. William R. Cutter in his two works, Genealogy of Northern New York and Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Massachusetts, the latter edited jointly with William F. Adams. In both of these publications the entire family of Rev. Thomas is recorded with two “Ts”. In the latter of these two publications two identical lines of descent from Rev. Thomas are given except in one the one T is used, and in the other two Ts, one appearing in Vol I, p 372, the other in Vol II, p. 933.
In the first reference quoted above there appears this interesting explanation of why the two Ts.
“The Carter family is of ancient English lineage. In one of the battles of Bruce’s war, an officer by the name of McCarter countermanded the order of a superior officer, which meant death, but which gave the victory, hence they could not really put him to death, but could not allow the offence to go unpunished. Therefore, they deprived him of the “Mc” in his name, and added a “t”, making it Cartter. The present family descends from him. Richard Cartter, Lord of the Manor of Garston, in the parish of Watford, England, is supposed to have been the grandfather of Rev. Thomas Cartter, the immigrant mentioned below.”
While we are speculating on the two Ts here is another version to ponder. From a letter written by a George Phederus Cartter of Los Angeles in 1855 to Mrs. Paul Cartter of Wichita we get the following (quite interesting.) The story he relates has two parts.
First. - - “In Scotland it was a custom, still is in some families, that the oldest son had no Christian name, was known as ‘Master’ and signed the papers as Mcarthur or Mcartter or Macarthur. Transcribed as M. A. Cartter, the Mac was dropped completely.”
Second. - - “You well have to go back several hundred years to get to the first two “TT.” In 1298 when Robert Bruce was at war with England the sister of Robert Bruce, King of Scotland, promised to marry the ‘first Scott’ to raise the Scott flag on English soil. The commander of the Scotch forces had the English driven back from the coast. He was ready to go ashore, standing at the bow of the boat with the Scott banner at hand when his nephew jumped out ahead of him pulling a banner from under his coat and raised it before his uncle realized what had happened. The remark that the uncle made is historically correct. ‘If the same blood that flows in your veins was not the same blood that is in mine I would strike you dead where you stand.” The family motto was taken from this episode ‘Astutia Et Animo.’ Bruce’s decree issued at that time was that they should carry two or double “T” for them and their descendants forever.”
Myth or reality, the presence of absence of a second “TP in the name has been a source of confusion to genealogists and an inconvenience to the bearer of the Cartter spelling. Being in the minority he must continually remind others of the proper spelling. Perhaps someday this mystery will be resolved, and we Cartters may in truth know how much Scottish blood coursed through the veins of our early ancestors.
We present bearers of the name are thankful that David Kellogg Cartter (1) held to this spelling as did his sons and those grandchildren of whom we know. The origin of the second “T” is incidental. We have it and intend to keep it, inconvenience or not. Let us haste to mention however that we do not disown those proven relatives who carry the lighter T burden.
Now back to David Kellogg Cartter as he arrived fom Westfield, Mass., with his brothers to settle at least tentatively at Lowville, N. Y. He was not to stay here long and we do not know much of his activities while there. Records do indicate that by 1804 he had met and married Elizabeth Hollister, the daughter of Abner and Sarah Betty Hollister whose family lived at Adams in Jefferson County.
The young couple lived in Lowville until the spring of 1814 when they and their three sons moved to Rochester, N. Y. as related in Chapter II. We have little information concerning the young family during this period. It is very likely that David continued to develop his skills as a carpenter and mill-wright; skills which he used to very good advantage after reaching Rochester. But what of Elizabeth?
Abner Hollister, father of Elizabeth, was of the 6th generation of his family in America. He was born Oct.28, 1754 in Tyringham, Berkshire County, in the far west central part of Mass. He served as a soldier in the Revolutionary War being with Arnold in his march to Quebec. After Arnold’s surrender, Abner made his escape through “an almost pathless wilderness; after great suffering he returned home.” He married Sarah Betty in Tyringham, June 28, 1771.
Elizabeth Hollister was the seventh in a family of twelve children. She was born in 1789. When she was seven years of age the family moved to Clinton in Oneida County, N. Y. After a few years they moved to Adams in Jefferson County where she was married in 1804 to David Kellogg Cartter.
Sarah Betty, Elizabeth’s mother, died in Cato, Cayuga Co., N.Y. Sept. 12, 1813, one year before the Cartters moved to Rochester. In 1818 Abner Hollister is recorded as assisting David Kellogg Cartter in building the first three-story building erected in Rochester. It was known as “The Mansion House” and is recorded in William F. Peck’s History of Rochester and Monroe County. This account would lead us to believe that the two may have worked together in the carpenter trade even before coming to Rochester. Abner, in 1802, married second a widow, Elizabeth Granger of Oneida Co., N. Y. There were no children by this marriage. George A. Hollister, a son of Abner, and brother of Elizabeth, later founded the Hollister Lumber Co. at Rochester in 1835.
HOLLISTER FAMILY
The Hollister family came to America from England, where in Somersetshire there is a town called Hollister. The name comes from Holly Terra - - place where holly trees abound. The first mention of the name was in about 1563 and 1564.
A brief male line of descent is given here, taken from Hollister Family of America by LaFayette Wallace Case, M. D. – 1886.
1st Generation
JOHN HOLLISTER, ancestor of the American family is said to have been born in England, 1612. He emigrated to America about 1642 and is reputed to have been “one of the most prominent men of Wetherfield and the Connecticut Colony.” He was admitted freeman in 1643, a deputy in 1644 and 1645. He was appointed by a general court to give “the best and safe advice to the Indians if they agreed to meet and should crave advice.” He was a large land holder especially on the east side of the Connecticut River, known as Glaustonburg. He married Joanna, daughter of Richard and Joanna Treat and dies April 1665. Eight children were born of this marriage.
2nd Generation
JOHN (2), oldest son of John (1) and Joanna b. 1644, married Sara Goodrich 1667. He was one of the principal men in Glastonburg. He had eight children d. 11-24-1711
3rd Generation
THOMAS, 2nd son of John (2) and Sara born 1-14-1672 – m. Dorothy Hills, daughter of Joseph Hills, Glastonburg, Conn. She was born 1677 and died 1741. He was called “the weaver” in town records. They had thirteen children.
4th Generation
CHARLES: Third son of Thomas and Dorothy b. in Glastonburg 7-26-1701, m. Prudence Francis, daug. of John Francis of Wethersfield 4-5-1729, settled in Eastbury d. 2-2-1753. Nine children.
5th Generation
FRANCIS, b. in Glastonburg 4-22-1733, 2nd son of Charles and Prudence, M. Betty McKee 12-15-1753 and resided in Tyringham – A sea captain – d. in Havana 1-15-1770. He had seven children of whom Abner was the oldest.
6th Generation
Abner, b. 10-28-1753, a soldier in the Revolutionary War. M. (1) Sarah Betty in tyringham, Mass. 6-28-1775 (2) a widow Elizabeth Granger of Oneida Co., N. Y. in 1802. His twelve children were all by his first wife who dies in Cato, Cayugo Co., N.Y. Sept.12, 1813. Elizabeth was his 7th child.
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